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. >> reporter: even a strong debate performance by john kerry wasn't enough to defeat george w. bush, but debates matter because it's the first chance to size up the candidates in unscripted moments one-on-one. brian? >> andrea mitchell, who by the way will be our fact checker during our live coverage of the debate wednesday night here on nbc. andrea, thanks. >>> more american deaths today in afghanistan. and the rising death toll numbers will bring more question about the mission in a very unsteady region. tonight we have special coverage of that region, many believe is at the brink, with americans there in harm's way. we have three reports this evening from ann curry, richard engel, and lester holt. we'll begin with lester in kabul in afghanistan. lester, good evening. >> brian, good evening to you. three americans, nearly a dozen others, killed in a suicide bomb attack in the eastern province of khost. for some time now military officials have been saying the taliban have been weakened and are avoiding direct conflict. still they are finding new and effective ways to strike.
. >> reporter: even a strong debate performance by john kerry wasn't enough to defeat george w. bush, but debates matter because it's the first chance to size up the candidates in unscripted moments one-on-one. brian? >> andrea mitchell, who by the way will be our fact checker during our live coverage of the debate wednesday night here on nbc. andrea, thanks. >>> more american deaths today in afghanistan. and the rising death toll numbers will bring more question about the...
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bush. santita let me start with you. americans are very unhappy with the economy, the president says he's unhappy too. is his challenge to explain how the next four years would be any different? and if you look at his convention speech i'm not sure there is any difference. >> you know i think that his great challenge is the same challenge that governor romney faces tomorrow night, which is to be relaysable an rerelatable and likable. likability really does matter. gregg: you don't think people really want specifics, tell me mr. president how the next four years is any different. >> you know, gregg you have to balance style with substance. the fact is they'll have to run against their narrative in a time of great economic want. you've got a very, very wealthy man who is running. i'm not saying he can't relate to the poor but governor romney is going to have to do that. president obama is someone who is prove sore kwral and known for his excellence. gregg: insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a diff
bush. santita let me start with you. americans are very unhappy with the economy, the president says he's unhappy too. is his challenge to explain how the next four years would be any different? and if you look at his convention speech i'm not sure there is any difference. >> you know i think that his great challenge is the same challenge that governor romney faces tomorrow night, which is to be relaysable an rerelatable and likable. likability really does matter. gregg: you don't think...
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in addition to coaching governor romney, he's worked with john mccain and president george w. bush. nice to have you on the program. >> good to be with you. jenna: for some of our viewers, how does one become an expert debate coach? did you start out on the debate team in high school? how did you become a coach? >> well, you know, i was in the right place at the right time. i didn't debate until i got to college, and then i decided to make debate a career. i coached for 18 years at liberty university and happened to meet karl rove. i knew that they had, that john kerry was using bob shrum as their debate coach and said to karl rove, you need a debate coach for the president, and he hired me. and that was my first job in politics, was coaching president bush. jenna: fascinating, karl rove surfaces again somewhere out there. >> with the mastermind of all. [laughter] jenna: you know, i didn't ever participate in the debate team. one of the things i did was play sports, and you watch game tape, right? you watch a lot of film. we just showed film of reagan and carter, and i'm curious, do
in addition to coaching governor romney, he's worked with john mccain and president george w. bush. nice to have you on the program. >> good to be with you. jenna: for some of our viewers, how does one become an expert debate coach? did you start out on the debate team in high school? how did you become a coach? >> well, you know, i was in the right place at the right time. i didn't debate until i got to college, and then i decided to make debate a career. i coached for 18 years at...
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bush for this. i think this is a new vulnerability if romney mr. exploit it and that remains to be seen. >> brian: 55 more gitmo detainees will be loose. it will be interesting to see. bill, you don't think it's that big a deal. you say this story has been out there for a week and the polls haven't moved much. >> i think it's an interesting story as far as journalism is concerned but i don't think the folks are locked in on it. i think the governor would be smart to make it part of his package tomorrow night of imcompetence. look, mitt romney, it's all on him. all on him. all president obama has to do is basically just be himself and not say anything, just repeat the same old thing. mitt romney has to convince the american people that going forward, he's a better alternative than the president. it's not going to be easy. so he's going to have to paint the president as an incompetent. this libya thing can be part of that, but certainly the economy, way more important to the folks than libya. but he c
bush for this. i think this is a new vulnerability if romney mr. exploit it and that remains to be seen. >> brian: 55 more gitmo detainees will be loose. it will be interesting to see. bill, you don't think it's that big a deal. you say this story has been out there for a week and the polls haven't moved much. >> i think it's an interesting story as far as journalism is concerned but i don't think the folks are locked in on it. i think the governor would be smart to make it part of...
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he served as chief of staff under george w. bush. i read a quote from a white house spokesperson and she says he hasn't had time, the president because of the demands of the office, to work too much on debate preparation. what are your thoughts on that? >> spin, spin, spin. let him start spinning why his 3 1/2 years have been a failure. this is an important event. debates are important. the two candidates will stand side by side and the voters are going to get a chance to evaluate. and i can't believe how hard the white house is working to spin that the president, a, is not very goods, and b, that he had no chance to prepare. that's called buying two insurance policies in case he sceud up in the debate the way he screwed up as president. martha: your candidate has been dragging in ohio, michigan, and he's behind in florida where he was once ahead. what would be your advice? what would you tell mitt romney to do tomorrow night? >> i think the governor knows what he has to do is make sure people feel he has the capacity to fill the job
he served as chief of staff under george w. bush. i read a quote from a white house spokesperson and she says he hasn't had time, the president because of the demands of the office, to work too much on debate preparation. what are your thoughts on that? >> spin, spin, spin. let him start spinning why his 3 1/2 years have been a failure. this is an important event. debates are important. the two candidates will stand side by side and the voters are going to get a chance to evaluate. and i...
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while george w. bush was talking. both moments played into a larger narrative of the campaigns by reinforcing what viewers already thought about the candidates. >> when gore sighed endlessly and moaned during the debate and we saw that on television, it just emphasized the idea that he was arrogant and condescending, something people were already concerned about. when nixon was sweating, there was some sense that he was already shifty and there was an anxiety in his soul as well as his body. >> that's what the question in this campaign is about. >> reporter: in a later debate that year, gore appeared to invade the personal space of bush. a move which made him look awkward compared to his relaxed opponent. and in 1992, george h.w. bush was caught twice by cameras glancing at his watch during a town hall debate with voters, which reinforced the suggestion that he was disengaged and uninterested. >> when something's close as it is now, a small shift may create a sense of forward movement in one direction or another. so t
while george w. bush was talking. both moments played into a larger narrative of the campaigns by reinforcing what viewers already thought about the candidates. >> when gore sighed endlessly and moaned during the debate and we saw that on television, it just emphasized the idea that he was arrogant and condescending, something people were already concerned about. when nixon was sweating, there was some sense that he was already shifty and there was an anxiety in his soul as well as his...
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donald rumsfeld, former secretary of defense under president george w. bush. sedge tear rumsfeld -- secretary rumsfeld, thanks for being here. let's talk about what catherine herridge just reported. there are whistleblowers who have said the libyan security forces themselves were scared and wanted to quit in the weeks leading up to the attack is the and that those inside the consulate had requested added security, but those requests somehow were not fulfilled. what do you make of all this? >> well, i heard the same report you heard, and as we know in a u.s. embassy or consulate overseas, theoretically the first responsibility is for the local government of the country to provide security for the consulate or the embassy. the second responsibility, obviously, and the principal responsibility really is with the department of state. and what they do normally is they gather intelligence and determine some level of threat that may or may not exist in a given situation. and then it's the responsibility of the department of state to see that the embassy has appropria
donald rumsfeld, former secretary of defense under president george w. bush. sedge tear rumsfeld -- secretary rumsfeld, thanks for being here. let's talk about what catherine herridge just reported. there are whistleblowers who have said the libyan security forces themselves were scared and wanted to quit in the weeks leading up to the attack is the and that those inside the consulate had requested added security, but those requests somehow were not fulfilled. what do you make of all this?...
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so, for example, which counties in colorado switched from 2004 to 2008, from george bush to obama in 2008, and then using that framework. i did a road trip over the summer stopping in colorado, iowa, later florida, and with that kind of baseline knowledge of the voters i was looking for, where are the places to go, and then it was just a man on the street on steroids, -- it was just man on the street on steroids. people going about their daily lives. what were the stories they were paying attention to, what they were not paying attention to, and from that, i kind of met some characters that i have returned to and look back -- that i have returned to and looked at, and i would think that this was completely anecdotal. i think it is valuable to hear those voices. they are voices we do not quite hear enough. the follow-up calls or the voters to turn out at rallies because the reporters get one or two urgency bites before they get back on the bus or on the plane -- reporters get one or two juicy bites. i welcome any thought about how to make it better or less anecdotal, but the one quest
so, for example, which counties in colorado switched from 2004 to 2008, from george bush to obama in 2008, and then using that framework. i did a road trip over the summer stopping in colorado, iowa, later florida, and with that kind of baseline knowledge of the voters i was looking for, where are the places to go, and then it was just a man on the street on steroids, -- it was just man on the street on steroids. people going about their daily lives. what were the stories they were paying...